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Dan Cornish

Great post! The consumer web 2.0 sites have some great ideas, they are a great sandbox to figure out what works. The big problem is that most if not all web 2.0 apps so far have not dealt with enterprise stuff such as user authentication, permissions, etc.. Our customers like walled gardens of information. They get real nervous when too much information can get out, like salary information, reviews, fees, business processes, etc.. Also TRUST in all caps is VERY important. "Who has my data?" and "is it Safe?" are usually the first two questions a business will ask before they buy a hosted app.

We are just experimenting right now building light weight simple to deploy and implement solutions. There really needs to be a few more open standards for sending data back and forth to control access to various bits of info.

The Craig's List model for enterprise software does have some merit. Lets take a $1b market and make it into a $250 million market. To accomplish this, we need to discover some new business models. Software is not the problem as I see it, it is implementation, which requires a great deal of business knowledge, not just technology knowledge.

Geoffrey McCaleb

I agree with Dan. Web 2.0 is like a real life research project to see what works, and what doesn't. The way I see it, the first round of these so-called next generation companies are doing all the hard r&d; the real players are the ones who will come next and capitalize on an opportunity that leverages all the good stuff.

I personally don't worry about the Enterprise. They are always at least 2-3 years behind the mainstream. Wiki's, and RSS will become the norm, but not until the impact/gains are painfully clear for all to see. Well, maybe we'll have to wait for the Jerry Taylor's of the world to retire first. ;)

Al

Excellent post, lots of good points I especially like the "Supply chains are social networks" quote, thats so applicable to a project we are working on at the mo.

PS I have also blogged about the SOA vs WEB 2.0 http://www.folknology.com/blog/1/1/
if you are interested.

regards
Al

Bruce MacVarish

Another insightful post Peter - thanks.

The question of how Web 2.0 intersects the Enterprise has really bubbled to the top recently... and was, you might remember, the focus of our conversation a few months back.

I absolutely agree that key examples of how Web 2.0 morphs to Enterprise Web 2.0 includes (i) integrating web apps within specific business processes (ii) capturing relevance and context for conversations and collaboration and finally (iii) using lightweight tools to integrate across silos.

In addition, it seems to me that successful Enterprise Web 2.0 players will continue to do more than just "re-package" existing enterprise business applications. The best will "re-define" and simplify how users get jobs done -- and as a result really start to improve personal and process productivity.

joe

I think the problem with enterprise sales is always the approval process (sales cycle). No matter the sales price, it still requires more effort than a consumer sale and so prices and deal size have to be higher to justify an enterprise focused buiness model in order to make the numbers work. We sell an advertising solution for small biz (basically a virtual ad agency for online ads) and even at $299 a month, with demonstrated payback in first month (and free trial), it still takes several sales calls (even if by telephone) to close the sale. There is also a lot more customer service (handholding) expected by biz customers than consumers, even at a low price point.

sigma

For "Now What?", mostly the answer has to be the usual one: Find a 'compelling value proposition'.

Web 2.0 does promise to be a revolution in 'media', information on many topics and in some aspects of civilization.

Web 2.0 is bringing a LOT of data, traffic, and eyeballs, and there should be some 'value' in there somewhere.

More on search combined with ad targeting is an obvious approach. Web 2.0 search brings some special problems, and it appears that so far no good solutions have been deployed. 'Page ranking' won't work, and clustering is not promising.

With so much data, it would be good to be asymptotic. Let's see: In a Hilbert space, each non-empty closed convex subset has a unique element of minimum norm; Riesz-Fisher and Bessel's inequality are nicely suggestive of an asymptotic direction; and for another asymptotic direction there should be plenty of data for the SLLN. The volume of data should get around the 'sparsity' concerns, and the minimum norm should get around the 'over-fitting' concerns. At least we don't have to worry about "large metric spaces"!

Brian Solis

Thanks for this Peter. This is right on the money and I fully agree. Really, most of the hype is looking at development technology as opposed to discussing the relevance of what the concept of Web 2.0 is about in the first place.

I wrote something that is complementary to your piece here
http://briansolis.blogspot.com/2006/05/web-20-internet-20-dotcom-20.html

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