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Tony Bain

Changing the rules of the VC game of course has the impact of changing the rules for the whole start up sector. What do you see as being the most significant knock on effects?

Cem Sertoglu

Great insight, Peter. Thanks. I wonder what this would look like for European VC.

Don Geddis

Your By-Stage IRR chart almost suggests that there were just a handful of successful companies. Roughly speaking, a seed stage investment in 1998 becomes an early stage in 1999, becomes expansion in 2000, becomes public in 2001. That almost seems to imply that there were zero good new ideas, from 2000-2005.

OK, the analogy isn't perfect. But it seems awfully suspicious that every year, the best category to invest in is a company about a year older. That makes it seem like the diagonal line from 1998 to 2002 is really just the exact same tiny set of companies, every single year.

Peter Rip

Don:

There are >1000 investments tracked in each year of the data. So the suggestion that it's a few companies each year that persist as best deals is highly unlikely. Also, I think the assumption of stage of maturity equating to one year is also too short. Since 2000, the average time between rounds has stretched, as the prevailing view became that capital too expensive in 2001-2005 and funding takes longer to complete. Also, the mean time to liquidity has stretched from four to eight years since 2000. So I am guessing that stages are close to two years than one.

Actually, I think the data understate the real stage-based variation. The IRRs probably have a log-normal distribution. So the means are probably skewed high. If we did the same analysis on median IRRs, you might actually see a slightly more pronounced effect because the marginally positive stages each year would go red from green.

Healy Jones

Is the first chart vs the mean of other VC-type investments or is it vs the mean of all available investments (such as bond funds, S&P, etc?) What is the right investment class against which to compare venture funds, given their illiquidity, long hold periods and fees? I certainly like the second chart, vs the S&P, because this seems like a real asset against which to compare the venture class. However, how does this analysis change after the first quarter of 2000 is cut out? There were some big exits early in 2000 that could be potentially be skewing the results for venture? I don't know the answer, just asking the question.

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